What Happened When Chuck Swindoll Left

07 May

images[9]Ever heard of Dale Burke?

He wrote a book on leadership, but he may be even more famous for the person he followed in pastoral ministry. Dale is the pastor who in 1993 followed Chuck Swindoll as Senior Pastor at Fullerton Evangelical Free Church. Some readers may be unfamiliar with Chuck, but many will know that he is the longtime radio preacher for the radio program Insight for Living. I always liked Chuck Swindoll and through the years found myself blessed by his ministry many times. Back in the day when Christian radio stations played James Dobson’s Focus on the Family and other talk programs (along with a smattering of Christian Contemporary Music by Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith and Carmen, et. al.), Swindoll was probably the biggest radio preacher of that golden age.

But I bring this up because I find it fascinating what happened to Fullerton E. Free when Chuck left after more than 20 years of ministry.  I can only speak for the first year, and I’m not sure how I heard this (maybe a contact in the Free Church) but I always found it interesting. The skinny (as my aging brain remembers) that I once heard was that when the famous preacher Chuck Swindoll left Fullerton, attendance dropped by 1,000, a huge hit even for a mega church seeing attendance in the 6,000 range.

Ah, yes, but the next statistic was even more interesting to me:

Giving didn’t go down at all.

1,000 people leave…and giving stays the same? What does that tell you? Allow this non-statistician to hazard a guess – my amateur interpretation of the data tells me that the mature people were primarily there for Jesus, not Chuck, and they stayed and kept giving. The more immature people on the other hand – they were followers of a celebrity pastor and weren’t giving anything anyway.  They left and financially…the church didn’t feel a thing (All this is initial. I think there may have been issues down the road for the church as if often the case when well-known pastors leave).

Why bring this up? Well, the Apostle Paul knew a thing or two about immature believers and celebrity pastors, and he wrote about them in 1 Corinthians 3…

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 1 Corinthians 3:4-7 (ESV)

Paul sums up this section with a not-to-be-forgotten truth: it is God who gives the growth, whether in an individual’s spiritual life, or in a church’s statistics. And if God is the One who causes things to grow, then all of us (both full-time vocational ministers like me…and volunteers) are only planting and watering, and even that we are doing only by His power and strength. Therefore, He is ultimately the only one we should ever look to for spiritual sustenance, though we recognize He uses undershepherds.  But ultimately, the Lord is the only One who ever deserves praise.

And yet, in this midst of this truth, we do well to remember our extremely high calling – the Lord says we are His fellow workers (verse 9). It is a high privilege, to be sure, but again, tempered with the truth which Paul reminds us toward the end of the chapter:

“So,” he will say in verse 21, “Let no one boast in men.”

What, after all, was even the great Apostle Paul? According to himself – he was just a servant through whom they had believed. Amen.

For Friday, May 8: 1 Corinthians 4


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3 responses to “What Happened When Chuck Swindoll Left

  1. Jon T. Penner

    July 2, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    I remember seeing Chuck Swindoll at an E.V. Free church at the corner of Bastanchury Rd. and State College Blvd. in Fullerton, CA sometime in 1982 thru 1984 (probably closer to 1984). I’m pretty sure it was a Promise Keepers event. I lived VERY close to there at the time. I remember that at least part of the building appeared circular. I called the current E.V. Free church on Brea Blvd. in Fullerton, but they so not remember this building or site. I doubt that I am confusing it with the Brea Blvd. church as I had never been to or seen anything like that church before a couple of years ago. Do you remember this church on the hill there?


    • Roger Knowlton

      July 2, 2020 at 3:57 pm

      I don’t know anything about the location. Never been there. I just heard the story.


  2. Jon T. Penner

    July 6, 2020 at 11:25 am

    What did you hear about it? What was the story? So far all I have is nobody else remembers it.



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